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Jesus Name

PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 4:17 pm
by Zeke365
something been bothering me for some time should I use Jesus name or his Hebrew name or it does not matter cause God go by different names?

Re: Jesus Name

PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 7:31 pm
by Midori
I believe that it does not matter. God isn't that fussy about details.

Re: Jesus Name

PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 9:16 pm
by ClaecElric4God
Seconding Midori. The name of Jesus has so many different variations in so many different languages, and I believe each one is relevant and important because of the people who speak those languages and call on the name of Jesus.

Re: Jesus Name

PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 10:31 pm
by Davidizer13
First of all, do you believe that God is smart enough to realize that He's being called on, regardless of the name that you use to do that?

Second, the language Jesus actually spoke in is a matter of debate - my money is on Aramaic, because that's what the people of the area used, and because Jesus himself uses it in the two or three direct quotes we have in the Gospels. Since He also read from Isaiah in the synagogue, it's reasonable to think that He also used Hebrew, but the majority of the talking He did was probably in Aramaic. Likewise, the people around Him would have used that to refer to Him in Aramaic and got responses, so already, it's not an issue. On top of that, the name of Jesus doesn't appear in the Hebrew version of the Old Testament, so we can't even use that to figure out what the Hebrew would actually be. All we do have in that regard is conjecture based on other similar Hebrew names. Until the early Middle Ages, Hebrew didn't have written vowel sounds, just consonants, and even in modern Hebrew, the vowels are just known; they're usually dropped in most books except for instructional texts like kids' books. The vowels you do use when you're speaking Hebrew have been made through a long line of tradition.

And then there's the Greek. In Greek, there is no "J" sound, like in Hebrew, but there is also no "Y" sound. The closest you get, and what is used for when one of those turns up is, essentially, "IE," pronounced like "ee-ay," run really closely together, and that's how English got its own J sound, which was a pretty late addition to the language. (This process of shifting around letters to another to get the sounds of another language, rather than the meaning, for proper nouns is known as "transliteration," and incidentally, comes up in anime quite a bit.) On top of that, nouns in Greek change based on their usage in a sentence, like if they're the subject of a verb, as in "Jesus said," which is, transliterated as "Iaesous," versus the object of the verb, as in "they came to Jesus," which would be "Iaesoun."

The reason I bring this part up, besides it being the language of the New Testament, is also because it was the language of the early Christians and how they used the Old Testament. Most of them didn't actually read the Bible in Hebrew, but in Greek, through a translation called the Septuagint. Compared to the Hebrew OT, it does some strange things - there are a lot of places where the Septuagint takes the Hebrew in very different directions, such as the prophecy of the virgin birth in Isaiah, where it makes the young mother explicitly a virgin and not just a young woman as in the Hebrew. But this version, as different as it is from the Hebrew, is what was quoted by the NT writers, the church fathers, and the majority of the early Christians in the first couple centuries of the faith. I would venture to say that very few of them used the Hebrew name for either Jesus or God, the latter of which is usually the more generic "theos" in the Greek.

So yeah. Anyone insisting on the Tetragrammon/Y'shua/whatnot to be used for the name of God or Jesus is the linguistic equivalent of someone insisting on using the KJV exclusively, in my book. Do it if you must, just don't argue any basis for it in the Bible or in Christian tradition, or anything other than the equivalent of being a weeaboo for Jewish things. (A He-abroo, perhaps? It happens a lot in my church.)

Re: Jesus Name

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 1:07 am
by Nate
I just say "Yo what up dawg" and he hasn't complained yet so I guess he doesn't mind it.

Re: Jesus Name

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 7:30 pm
by Kraavdran
To go back to the original post, I don't think that you "should" use any name. You can, if you like. But I don't think it is necessary.

God has been referred to by quite a few Hebrew names in the OT. El. Elohim. El-Shaddai. the Tetragrammaton. Adonai. To name a few. Each carries a certain difference of meaning. People call God different things in different languages too. In the contemporary english, we don't use these Hebrew names, but instead use english translations (typically "God" or "Lord"). This looks differently in countries that don't speak english. They usually have their own word to describe God.

This being said, I can surmise that God doesn't have just one name to call Him. And, it seems, He doesn't require special names. After all, "Adonai" just means "Lord" and "El" just means "god." These words were used by people who did not follow Him as well. This leads me to think that God doesn't really call what we call Him (Jesus included). After all, time and again, Jesus called for our hearts to be in the right place. If your heart is in the right place, I don't think that it matters what you call God.

I am curious, Zeke, why do you ask? Are certain people in your life trying to tell you that you must use a certain name? Or have you been thinking about this by yourself? Or observing it in those around you?

Re: Jesus Name

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 10:03 am
by Zeke365
I was researching Jesus name and it scared me that we may not be using the right name for God son though I think the answer is that it should not matter what name we use as long as it points us to Christ.

Re: Jesus Name

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 10:27 am
by Kraavdran
Zeke365 wrote: [...]though I think the answer is that it should not matter what name we use as long as it points us to Christ.

Indeed. No since causing divisions and legalism.